"SonorousSpeedJoe" (SonorousSpeedJoe)
12/17/2013 at 23:00 • Filed to: None
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"SonorousSpeedJoe" (SonorousSpeedJoe)
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I googled this topic the other day and came across !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! . They mention a method that involves enabling remote start functionality only if the car is in neutral with the parking brake engaged. Nowadays, when cars' electronics are so interconnected, isn't that a relatively simple thing to include from the factory?
quarterlifecrisis
> SonorousSpeedJoe
12/17/2013 at 23:01 |
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One would think. The catch is, most people prefer to park in a gear for the added sense of security, and in the case of my weird, one year only flukemobile, I have to park in Reverse for the ECU/ECM to fully power down.
Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire
> SonorousSpeedJoe
12/17/2013 at 23:03 |
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Because dumbasses would sue so damn fast. That's why we can't have nice things.
Forgetful
> SonorousSpeedJoe
12/17/2013 at 23:03 |
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Real car guys enjoy the mechanical interaction between man and machine that you can only get from a good old fashion manual... ignition.
getchapopcorn
> SonorousSpeedJoe
12/17/2013 at 23:04 |
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Saab owners officially SOL.
JGrabowMSt
> SonorousSpeedJoe
12/17/2013 at 23:06 |
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Neutral Safety Switch. Car doesn't start unless it's being pushed. Where is it? Under the clutch.
I've heard about aftermarket remote starters being put into manual trans cars, and then someone who didn't know about it remote started it, and the car shot off into a pond. New Mustang if I remember correctly.
Sure it would be nice, but for people less inclined to really pay attention to what they're doing, this would end very very badly. I always park in gear with the brake as well (on the most flat ground possible). As much as I'd love a remote starter, if someone else were to use my car, it could end very badly.
thebigbossyboss
> SonorousSpeedJoe
12/17/2013 at 23:07 |
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I had never even thought of the problem of having a remote starter in a manual vehicle. Obviously turning the car on in gear would end badly.
Boxer_4
> SonorousSpeedJoe
12/17/2013 at 23:07 |
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Because of stuff like this .
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The Transporter
> SonorousSpeedJoe
12/17/2013 at 23:08 |
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Most cars - even the pre-computer driven ones - have a switch on the clutch pedal that prevents electricity from flowing to the starter unless the clutch pedal is down.
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SonorousSpeedJoe
> quarterlifecrisis
12/17/2013 at 23:09 |
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I do park in gear, but in a situation where I may not need to and felt like using the remote start, I'd personally like to have the option.
I figure that this isn't a particularly outlandish suggestion, so I just threw it out there.
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thebigbossyboss
> quarterlifecrisis
12/17/2013 at 23:11 |
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I park depending on the grade. First if my nose is up and reverse if my nose is down. Once i got back in the car, and the brake wasn't even on. I was like "dayum"...this car was just sitting here...lol.
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SonorousSpeedJoe
> JGrabowMSt
12/17/2013 at 23:12 |
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Ah, I see. That makes sense; can't have the starter and the switch together, I suppose.
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quarterlifecrisis
> SonorousSpeedJoe
12/17/2013 at 23:12 |
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I'm with ya man. My beater truck has remote start. Since the roads are cold in the morning guess what goes to the office every day? And is nice and toasty and defrosted when I get in it for all that matters!
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quarterlifecrisis
> thebigbossyboss
12/17/2013 at 23:14 |
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Since I have the stupid "only can park in Reverse" thing, I usually try to park downhill. Plus, it really mitigates the risk of looking like a dumbass should something go wrong when pulling out into traffic. Couldn't tell you when the last time I killed a manual vehicle was, but Murphy's law would absolutely OWN me the one day that I had to pull out uphill.
V8Demon - Prefers Autos for drag racing. Fite me!
> SonorousSpeedJoe
12/17/2013 at 23:14 |
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Because people can be forgetful. Read this: http://www.newsday.com/long-island/su…
FWIW I was there and witnessed this. The car had an LS1 from a Corvette, manual transmission, and remote start.
Also: http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php…
oldirtybootz
> SonorousSpeedJoe
12/17/2013 at 23:15 |
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My friend and I were just talking about this. He just bought a Ram Black Express and he wants to get a remote start and I said how I'd like one and he gave me a sarcastic "haha, you cant have one." I always leave my car in neutral anyway.
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V8Demon - Prefers Autos for drag racing. Fite me!
> quarterlifecrisis
12/17/2013 at 23:15 |
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What vehicle has this strange feature?
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quarterlifecrisis
> V8Demon - Prefers Autos for drag racing. Fite me!
12/17/2013 at 23:16 |
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2005 Corvette. It's a 2005 only thing, GM pulled their heads out for the rest of the C6s.
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thebigbossyboss
> quarterlifecrisis
12/17/2013 at 23:16 |
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Yeah you gotta watch it. Ive had a standard for quite a while now, so I am usually really good about putting it back in neutral when I get in. That, plus my car wont turn on unless the clutch pedal is depressed.
Ian Duer (320b)
> getchapopcorn
12/17/2013 at 23:16 |
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I just picked one up. Am I to assume they all have the "can't even get the ignition key out unless in reverse" thing going on?
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quarterlifecrisis
> thebigbossyboss
12/17/2013 at 23:17 |
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Same here. Which is actually moderately annoying at times. I've had the ability since before I could drive, but finally had the chance to get something with the 3rd pedal a few years ago.
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thebigbossyboss
> quarterlifecrisis
12/17/2013 at 23:19 |
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Well maybe "quite a while" is a subjective metric. I have had a standard for the past 3 years, but have driven for 10.
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JGrabowMSt
> SonorousSpeedJoe
12/17/2013 at 23:21 |
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For a factory option to ship, it would have to be able to sense both the parking brake is engaged (easy) and that the car is in neutral (not as easy). If one of those values is incorrect, then remote start could be disabled through hard wiring (just set up a basic relay). Sounds great in theory, but if someone bypassed that system it would be a hazard to others.
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quarterlifecrisis
> thebigbossyboss
12/17/2013 at 23:24 |
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I've driven for a little over 11..had a manual for 22 months, almost to the day. Not that I'm keeping score.
FireSpittingV12
> SonorousSpeedJoe
12/17/2013 at 23:24 |
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Because stupid people who don't know how to use said parking brake.
Jayhawk Jake
> SonorousSpeedJoe
12/18/2013 at 00:08 |
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Disregard, I misread.
i think it probably has to do with customer service a bit. If the car has to be in neutral but someone leaves it in gear and remote start fails, they'll be bitching to the manufacturer. It's probably not worth it
wabbastang
> Boxer_4
12/18/2013 at 00:38 |
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Remote start is stupid, period, there is no argument for it. Get a garage.
I had a Mustang (manual tranny) in the shop once which unbeknownst to anyone had remote start on it. After we were done with it, it got parked outside coincidentally right in front of my office window, in gear, like anyone does with a manual tranny who understands that parking brakes are poorly named.
When the kid came to pick it up, through my window I watched him remote start it (while starting next to it, because duh), and the car drove across the lane, up the curb and onto the sidewalk which gave him just enough time to leap through the open window and either pull it out of gear or somehow kill it before it stopped about a foot from the building. The front end didn't fare so well against the curb. Remotely started because you know, he was standing next to it. On a sunny day. With the windows down. But remote start. Stupid feature.
dsmloki
> SonorousSpeedJoe
12/18/2013 at 00:44 |
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Guys, this was covered by the DSM guys more than a decade ago. You may have to slightly tweak it according to your car but it's a simple procedure. http://www.vfaq.com/mods/wayback/t…
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SonorousSpeedJoe
> dsmloki
12/18/2013 at 01:08 |
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Thanks for that, but I'm talking about having this available as a factory option; I know there are kits/fixes to do this after the fact.
Anyhow, neutral safety switches throw a wrench in my suggestion anyhow.
Svend
> SonorousSpeedJoe
12/18/2013 at 01:46 |
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This has been an accessory for many years. There have been quite a few car alarm companies that can wire your ignition to your remote keyfob. One that a friend was looking at for a while (but his girlfriend said no) was for the remote start, an engine preheater (so the car is nice and warm ready to drive off), location sensor (if the car moved he would get a flashing light and a ribration through the key fob and also a text message on his mobile/cell phone, valeting/detailing mode (to allow access to the car bonnet/hood, filler cap, trunk/boot and all doors but isolating the ignition).
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Svend
> Ian Duer (320b)
12/18/2013 at 01:52 |
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Yes, took me a while of jiggling before someone came up to the car and said have you put it in reverse, then I caught on. Also spent a while looking for the boot/trunk release on a Saab 900, only to find it on the drivers side lower edge of the door.
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Ian Duer (320b)
> Svend
12/18/2013 at 03:04 |
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Only had it for two days. I assume that collar on the shifter is supposed to be pulled up to get it into reverse, but it seems unnecessary on mine. Not complaining. The black panel button is funny though. Seems like a good way to screw with a new owner.
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Svend
> Ian Duer (320b)
12/18/2013 at 03:35 |
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The collar needed to be lifted (one or two had to be yanked up most lifted easily) on the ones I drove. I felt so stupid, especially as my dad worked for Saab at the time (for quite a few years) (god those 900 Turbos could shift if you put your foot down).
Tom McParland
> SonorousSpeedJoe
12/18/2013 at 08:10 |
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Don't know if you caught this but I just got a remote starter installed on my 6MT Mazda3. ..well worth the $250. There are some quirks though, if you unlock the doors without remote starting the engine the remote start unit will disengage. So last night I needed something from my car and opened it up. It gave me the clicking sound that said remote start is off. No wanting a cold car in the morning I had to engage the unit, so I had to jump in, manually start the car, drop the E-brake, pull the E-brake take my foot off the brake, keep the car running, push the remote start button on the fob wait to hear the clicks and remove key. Then lock the car with the remote start fob, which turns the car off and sets it up for the next time. Now supposedly if I had gotten the $300 unit, I would not have to do this dance.
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BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather
> SonorousSpeedJoe
12/18/2013 at 08:44 |
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It's a combination of liability and user complaints. If they did it, they'd have to make sure that it only engaged if the car wasn't in gear to avoid jumping the car into their garage door. So then you'd have a bunch of people complaining it "never worked and was a waste of money" because they couldn't work their muscle memory into not putting it in gear.